"True Surfers" are an illlusion. There is no such thing. There are guys who surf and those who don't. There isn't some priestly cabal of "real" surfers that are going to save the day because they do it with more heart and soul then the Blue Crush wannabees.

Replace Surfer/surf with Climber/climb.

Any thoughts people?

from a post I saw on RC.n00b

"Snake pro is the piece that you put in before you get to the topout or a ladege. This is put in in case there is a snake sitting on the ledge that you are just about to reach. A lot of people will run it out on the easieir ground near the top of a route. Caution needs to be exercised in case you come across a surprise at the top. Thus the snake pro."

Huh.......wonder if this guy knows Kenny Card and Bob Conz....or has heard the "flying rattlesnake" story.

OK Fucher... Take this!

So, there is a site available for SATURDAY NIGHT ONLY, incase anyone wants it. Give me a call or email me for the details.

j

So Climber B is at the 3rd bolt moving around trying to find a good clipping stance.
Climber B finally finds a stance and clips the draw in, reaches down and grabs the rope pulling up slack.
As Climber B reaches up to clip in the rope they change their footing and they are unable to reach the draw.
Climber B drops the rope/slack and begins moving around trying to find a better clipping stance.
Belayer D (using a gri-gri) stands ready with both hands on the rope waiting for climber B to clip in or fall.
Belayer D has not taken out any of the slack and the rope is now looping to the ground in front of Belayer D.
Climber B is down climbing and moving right and left trying to find a better stance.
Climber A barks out "Belayer D take the slack out!" which Belayer D does so in a nonchalant and slow manner.
Climber B finally finds a stance and clips in the rope.
Climber A explains to Belayer D why leaving 7 feet of slack out when Climber B is 14-20 feet above the ground and climbing around is a bad idea.
Belayer D looks at Climber A with a "whatever, you don't know what you're talking about" expression on their face.
Climber A decides that n00bs suck and that n00bs who think they know it all suck the worst of all.

OK, since you told me about "S.A.C." and I actually did use it the other night (bought the Spy Micro Scoop sunglasses) I bring WOOT to the table. An item a day at a decent discount.